SAE and Descartes’ MeditationsSAE笛卡尔沉思集SAE笛卡爾沉思集 · 04 / 06
Mind Debates Flesh
之四 · 心灵同肉体辩论
之四 · 心靈同肉體辯論
Two philosophers give each other names. The names begin to do argumentative work.
称对方为心灵,称对方为肉体;收场时,又重新认出那个有名有姓的人。
稱對方為心靈,稱對方為肉體;收場時,又重新認出那個有名有姓的人。
Gassendi’s Fifth Objections are long. Descartes would later remark on their length in a notice for the French edition. But the most conspicuous feature of this exchange is not its scale. It is what the men call each other.
A name borrowed from the argument
In the Second Meditation, Descartes arrives at a description of himself: strictly speaking, he is a thinking thing—a mind. He adds that he had not previously understood what such words meant.
Gassendi quotes the passage back at him and confesses, with some irony, that he had misunderstood his interlocutor. He thought he was addressing a human soul: that by which a person lives, feels, moves and understands. Apparently he is speaking to a mind that has discarded not only the body but the soul as well.
He takes to addressing his opponent as “Mind,” sometimes “good Mind.” The manner need not be openly coarse; he can still call Descartes a distinguished man in the same passage. The point is plain enough: if you insist that you are nothing but a mind, that is whom I shall address.
The name that comes back
Descartes begins by complimenting the personification. Gassendi has treated him not as a whole person but as a separated soul. In doing so, Descartes suggests, Gassendi almost seems to imply that these objections come not from a subtle philosopher’s mind but from flesh alone.
Then he returns the address: tell me, “Flesh”—or whatever name you prefer—are you really so unfamiliar with the mind? He repeats the designation through the reply, at one point addressing “most excellent Flesh.”
The two names have different origins. Gassendi borrows Descartes’ account of himself: you call yourself a mind, so I call you Mind. Descartes takes the opponent’s framing and turns it against the speaker: if I am the separated mind, perhaps these objections are coming from the other side of that division.
Excellent!
One of the exchanges deserves a closer look. To challenge the reliability of clear and distinct perception, Gassendi invokes ancient thinkers. Great minds ought to have understood a great deal, yet some located truth with the gods or at the bottom of a well.
Descartes opens his answer with an extravagant compliment: excellent—here at last is an argument against me, something I have not seen you produce before.
He grants that it is an argument from authority, then reminds “Flesh” of the person it is addressing. This is a mind withdrawn so far from bodily things that it does not even know whether other people existed before it. The authority of earlier thinkers therefore cannot move it.
Something has happened to the joke. Gassendi’s name for his opponent becomes part of the opponent’s defence. Descartes does not reject the role. He steps into it and lets it answer an objection.
Calling him a disembodied mind was meant to expose an implausible position. For the purposes of this reply, that very distance from the world becomes a reason why an appeal to worldly authorities cannot settle the question.
Taking the costumes off
At the end of the exchange, Descartes names what has been happening: up to this point, Mind has been debating Flesh, and has rightly disagreed with it on many things. Now, with the discussion concluded, he recognizes the real Gassendi.
He honours Gassendi as an outstanding philosopher and embraces him as a man known for candour and integrity, whose friendship he hopes to earn. Mind and Flesh are retrospectively identified as roles. The person beyond the role has a name.
An apology follows, but the apology does not end where we might expect. Descartes asks Gassendi not to resent the philosophical freedom of his replies and says he welcomes the objections sincerely. Among the things he welcomes is this: so eminent a man, in so long and carefully worked an account, has produced no argument that strikes his reasoning and no challenge to his conclusions that he cannot easily answer.
Apology, acceptance and a report of victory share a sentence. The victory is offered as one of the benefits received from the critic.
The qualifications—so eminent, so lengthy, so carefully prepared—are doing work. The more imposing the opponent, the more impressive it becomes, on Descartes’ assessment, that the attack has failed. Praise closes the exchange, but also adds weight to that assessment.
We encountered a related move in Essay One. There, the critic’s strength supported an inference from what had not been challenged. Here it supports a judgment about what was challenged. Whether nothing landed is Descartes’ judgment. The objections remain available in the preceding pages.
After the match
A winning player stands at a microphone and calls the opponent the strongest they have ever faced.
The admiration may be entirely sincere. It also makes the victory worth more. The speaker need not have calculated that second effect for it to exist.
We need not infer hypocrisy. Genuine respect and a wish to have one’s achievement recognized can inhabit the same sentence. The interesting question is what the sentence is doing, not which single motive we can assign to its speaker.
Bound into each other’s books
Gassendi did not leave matters there. He wrote further responses to Descartes’ answers, at first circulating them among friends. Samuel Sorbière obtained the manuscript, and in 1644 it was published in Amsterdam.
The volume interleaved objections, replies and renewed objections. It also included a separately paginated reprint of the Meditations. Descartes later referred to it as Gassendi’s large book.
The arrangement had turned back on itself. Descartes’ book contained Gassendi’s objections. Gassendi’s book contained Descartes’ meditations. Mind and Flesh had argued at length, and each ended up bound into the other’s volume.
第五组反驳出自伽桑狄。篇幅很大,大到笛卡尔后来在法文本的声明里,都提了一句它很长。
而这一场来回,显眼的不在篇幅,在称呼上。
名字是他自己起的
第二个沉思里,笛卡尔走到一步,下了一个断语:所以我确切说来只是一个在思想的东西,也就是一个心灵。后面还跟了半句:这几个词的意思,我从前并不知道。
这是他给自己起的名字,而且是刚起的。
伽桑狄把这句引了过去,跟着说:到这儿我承认我看走眼了。我本以为我在跟一个人的灵魂说话,就是人靠着它活着,有感觉,能走动,能明白事理的那个东西;可我说话的对象原来只是一个心灵,它不光脱掉了身体,连灵魂也一并脱掉了。
从此他就反复这么叫他:哦心灵,哦好心灵。
他叫得并不粗。同一段里他还称对方杰出的人。可意思是明白的:您既然说您只是心灵,那我就只跟心灵说话。
回过来的那一个
答第五组里,笛卡尔先夸了一句。
您接着用了一段不讨人厌的拟人法,不再把我当一个完整的人,而当一个分离出来的灵魂来问话。由此您似乎在提醒我,这些反驳不是出自一位精细哲学家的心灵,而是单单出自肉体。
然后他就叫了回去:那我请问您,哦肉体,或者您爱用什么名号就用什么名号,您跟心灵竟这样没有往来吗。
连这一回在内,这个称呼他反复用了,其中有一次叫的是哦最好的肉体。
两边都反复用了这些称呼,但起名的来路不一样。伽桑狄拿的是笛卡尔自己的话:您说您只是心灵,我就叫您心灵。笛卡尔拿的是伽桑狄的摆法:您既然把我当一个分离出来的灵魂来问话,那这些问话是从哪里来的,也就清楚了。
好极了
这些来回里有一处,值得整段看。
伽桑狄有一回要证明清楚分明所见未必为真,搬出古人来:那么大的头脑,本该看清许多东西的,还是认为真理要么藏在神那里,要么藏在井底。
笛卡尔答的头一句是:好极了,您在这儿总算拿出了一条反对我的道理,这是我在前面哪儿都没见您做过的。
跟着:这一点上我承认您是照权威在论证,而且论证得对;可您该记得,哦肉体,您在这儿面对的是一个心灵,它远离了一切有形之物,远到连在它之前有没有人存在过都不知道,所以前人的权威推不动它。
这里有一层容易滑过去。
心灵这个称呼,原是伽桑狄拿来笑他的。笛卡尔在这儿把它认了下来,还拿它挡了一条论证。您说我只是个心灵,好,一个离开形体远到那个地步的心灵,确实连世上从前有没有过别人都不知道;那您搬出来的前人,对它就不作数。
他没有去驳那个玩笑。他住进去,再让它替自己干活。
收场那一句
这一场到了末尾,他停下来,给整场起了个名字。收场是两句。
头一句:到此为止,是心灵在同肉体辩论,并且理当如此,在许多处都不同意它。可如今收场了,我认的是真正的伽桑狄。我仰望他是一位极出色的哲学家,我拥抱他是一位以心地坦白与生平端正著称的人,此后我愿尽我所能去挣得他的友谊。
心灵和肉体,到这里被他自己认作两个角色。真正的那一位,不是心灵,也不是肉体,是一个有名有姓的人。
下一句是道歉,而道歉那一句还没完:
所以我请他别见怪,我在驳他时用了哲学上的自由;他那些反驳里的东西,我都真心领受;而其中让我欣喜的一件是,出自一位这样有名望的人,一篇这样长又这样用心写成的论文里,竟没有一条道理是碰着我的道理的,也没有一条碰着我的结论而我答起来不是极容易的。
道歉,领受,战果,在同一个句子里。战果是当作他从对方反驳里领受到的东西之一,报出来的。
那几个这样,这样有名望,这样长,这样用心,都在报战果的那半句里头。称分量的秤,在这半句自己手里:对方越重,一条都没碰着才越有分量。前一句那个极出色的哲学家,跟这里的这样有名望,前后呼应着。这些赞辞不只在收场,也在给后面的胜利声明添分量。
这一手之一里见过:序里是一群人又多又杂,答阿尔诺是一个人下手够狠,答伽桑狄开头是一个人够机敏。那三处拿对方的分量去称的,是对方没碰到的地方;这一回称的,是对方说了的那些。碰着没有,是他的判断;那一组反驳就印在前面。
赛后那一句
比赛打完,赢的那个人站在话筒前面,说:这是我碰到过最强的对手。
这话可以是真心的。而它同时还在做另一件事:对手越强,这场赢得越值。说这话的人未必想到这一层,可这一层在那儿。
听的人也不会因此说他虚伪。两样本来就能挨着说:一句真心的敬重,和一场想让它算数的胜利。
收束
这一场后来还有下文。
伽桑狄没有就此罢手。他又写了一大篇,对笛卡尔的答辩逐条再驳,先只在几个朋友手里传。后来他的朋友索尔比埃把稿子讨了去,一六四四年在阿姆斯特丹印了出来:反驳,答辩,再驳,一条一条穿插着排。另附一份笛卡尔《沉思集》的重印,单独编页。
那部书,笛卡尔自己提起来,叫它那部大书。
事情成了这个样子:笛卡尔的书里,印着伽桑狄的反驳;伽桑狄的书里,印着笛卡尔的沉思。心灵和肉体吵了一整场,最后各自被装订进了对方那一册。
第五組反駁出自伽桑狄。篇幅很大,大到笛卡爾後來在法文本的聲明裡,都提了一句它很長。
而這一場來回,顯眼的不在篇幅,在稱呼上。
名字是他自己起的
第二個沉思裡,笛卡爾走到一步,下了一個斷語:所以我確切說來只是一個在思想的東西,也就是一個心靈。後面還跟了半句:這幾個詞的意思,我從前並不知道。
這是他給自己起的名字,而且是剛起的。
伽桑狄把這句引了過去,跟著說:到這兒我承認我看走眼了。我本以為我在跟一個人的靈魂說話,就是人靠著它活著,有感覺,能走動,能明白事理的那個東西;可我說話的對象原來只是一個心靈,它不光脫掉了身體,連靈魂也一並脫掉了。
從此他就反覆這麼叫他:哦心靈,哦好心靈。
他叫得並不粗。同一段裡他還稱對方傑出的人。可意思是明白的:您既然說您只是心靈,那我就只跟心靈說話。
回過來的那一個
答第五組裡,笛卡爾先誇了一句。
您接著用了一段不討人厭的擬人法,不再把我當一個完整的人,而當一個分離出來的靈魂來問話。由此您似乎在提醒我,這些反駁不是出自一位精細哲學家的心靈,而是單單出自肉體。
然後他就叫了回去:那我請問您,哦肉體,或者您愛用什麼名號就用什麼名號,您跟心靈竟這樣沒有往來嗎。
連這一回在內,這個稱呼他反覆用了,其中有一次叫的是哦最好的肉體。
兩邊都反覆用了這些稱呼,但起名的來路不一樣。伽桑狄拿的是笛卡爾自己的話:您說您只是心靈,我就叫您心靈。笛卡爾拿的是伽桑狄的擺法:您既然把我當一個分離出來的靈魂來問話,那這些問話是從哪裡來的,也就清楚了。
好極了
這些來回裡有一處,值得整段看。
伽桑狄有一回要證明清楚分明所見未必為真,搬出古人來:那麼大的頭腦,本該看清許多東西的,還是認為真理要麼藏在神那裡,要麼藏在井底。
笛卡爾答的頭一句是:好極了,您在這兒總算拿出了一條反對我的道理,這是我在前面哪兒都沒見您做過的。
跟著:這一點上我承認您是照權威在論證,而且論證得對;可您該記得,哦肉體,您在這兒面對的是一個心靈,它遠離了一切有形之物,遠到連在它之前有沒有人存在過都不知道,所以前人的權威推不動它。
這裡有一層容易滑過去。
心靈這個稱呼,原是伽桑狄拿來笑他的。笛卡爾在這兒把它認了下來,還拿它擋了一條論證。您說我只是個心靈,好,一個離開形體遠到那個地步的心靈,確實連世上從前有沒有過別人都不知道;那您搬出來的前人,對它就不作數。
他沒有去駁那個玩笑。他住進去,再讓它替自己幹活。
收場那一句
這一場到了末尾,他停下來,給整場起了個名字。收場是兩句。
頭一句:到此為止,是心靈在同肉體辯論,並且理當如此,在許多處都不同意它。可如今收場了,我認的是真正的伽桑狄。我仰望他是一位極出色的哲學家,我擁抱他是一位以心地坦白與生平端正著稱的人,此後我願盡我所能去掙得他的友誼。
心靈和肉體,到這裡被他自己認作兩個角色。真正的那一位,不是心靈,也不是肉體,是一個有名有姓的人。
下一句是道歉,而道歉那一句還沒完:
所以我請他別見怪,我在駁他時用了哲學上的自由;他那些反駁裡的東西,我都真心領受;而其中讓我欣喜的一件是,出自一位這樣有名望的人,一篇這樣長又這樣用心寫成的論文裡,竟沒有一條道理是碰著我的道理的,也沒有一條碰著我的結論而我答起來不是極容易的。
道歉,領受,戰果,在同一個句子裡。戰果是當作他從對方反駁裡領受到的東西之一,報出來的。
那幾個這樣,這樣有名望,這樣長,這樣用心,都在報戰果的那半句裡頭。稱分量的秤,在這半句自己手裡:對方越重,一條都沒碰著才越有分量。前一句那個極出色的哲學家,跟這裡的這樣有名望,前後呼應著。這些贊辭不只在收場,也在給後面的勝利聲明添分量。
這一手之一裡見過:序裡是一群人又多又雜,答阿爾諾是一個人下手夠狠,答伽桑狄開頭是一個人夠機敏。那三處拿對方的分量去稱的,是對方沒碰到的地方;這一回稱的,是對方說了的那些。碰著沒有,是他的判斷;那一組反駁就印在前面。
賽後那一句
比賽打完,贏的那個人站在話筒前面,說:這是我碰到過最強的對手。
這話可以是真心的。而它同時還在做另一件事:對手越強,這場贏得越值。說這話的人未必想到這一層,可這一層在那兒。
聽的人也不會因此說他虛偽。兩樣本來就能挨著說:一句真心的敬重,和一場想讓它算數的勝利。
收束
這一場後來還有下文。
伽桑狄沒有就此罷手。他又寫了一大篇,對笛卡爾的答辯逐條再駁,先只在幾個朋友手裡傳。後來他的朋友索爾比埃把稿子討了去,一六四四年在阿姆斯特丹印了出來:反駁,答辯,再駁,一條一條穿插著排。另附一份笛卡爾《沉思集》的重印,單獨編頁。
那部書,笛卡爾自己提起來,叫它那部大書。
事情成了這個樣子:笛卡爾的書裡,印著伽桑狄的反駁;伽桑狄的書裡,印著笛卡爾的沉思。心靈和肉體吵了一整場,最後各自被裝訂進了對方那一冊。
Alongside SAE · an optional marginal note与SAE并读 · 可选旁注與SAE並讀 · 可選旁注
The SAE First Critique rejects reducing a person merely to a means. “Merely” matters: recognizing another person’s usefulness is not yet the same as recognizing nothing else about them. Descartes’ closing passage both acknowledges a person and weighs an opponent. Whether the relationship escaped reduction cannot be decided from this passage alone.
《SAE第一批判》里有一句话,说不授权任何人把他仅仅当作手段;要紧的是仅仅两个字,它不是不许用人,不许的是只剩下用。收场那一段里,一句认人,一句称重,两样都在;这算不算没有只剩下用,要看的不止这一段。这是旁注,不是论证。
《SAE第一批判》裡有一句話,說不授權任何人把他僅僅當作手段;要緊的是僅僅兩個字,它不是不許用人,不許的是只剩下用。收場那一段裡,一句認人,一句稱重,兩樣都在;這算不算沒有只剩下用,要看的不止這一段。這是旁注,不是論證。
The SAE First Critique essays →进入 SAE第一批判 →進入 SAE第一批判 →Text, editions & sources文本、版本与来源文本、版本與來源
Main locations: Second Meditation; Gassendi’s Fifth Objections on the thinking thing; Descartes’ corresponding replies and closing address. The account distinguishes rhetorical roles from judgments about either person’s character.
Exact totals for forms of address and the pagination of Gassendi’s volume are not used as premises here. The repeated names and the reciprocal inclusion of texts remain central.
主要位置为第二沉思、第五组反驳有关思想之物的段落,以及答第五组相应段落与收场。角色称呼和作者的胜利声明,都不直接等于对对方人格的判决。
称呼次数与伽桑狄再驳本页数未取得足够清晰的独立复核,正文保留可定位的重复称呼和互相收录关系,不依赖这些精确数字立论。
主要位置為第二沉思、第五組反駁有關思想之物的段落,以及答第五組相應段落與收場。角色稱呼和作者的勝利聲明,都不直接等於對對方人格的判決。
稱呼次數與伽桑狄再駁本頁數未取得足夠清晰的獨立復核,正文保留可定位的重復稱呼和互相收錄關係,不依賴這些精確數字立論。